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	<title>Comments on: No Pago! Reasons to Resist Microfinance in Nicaragua</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Fix</title>
		<link>http://mykro.org/no-pago-reasons-to-resist-microfinance-in-nicaragua/2009/11/comment-page-1/#comment-123068</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Fix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a lender&#039;s agent in the USA representing banks, insurance cos and various private lenders.

Let me say that a microloan at 21% is a bargain! It&#039;s 100% unsecured and really they are so small, they are more like a nano-loan.

It&#039;s sad to see people manipulated by people like the shameful Ortega who only wants to line his own pockets - like politicians everywhere.</description>
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<p>Let me say that a microloan at 21% is a bargain! It&#8217;s 100% unsecured and really they are so small, they are more like a nano-loan.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad to see people manipulated by people like the shameful Ortega who only wants to line his own pockets &#8211; like politicians everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s Happening with Microfinance in Andhra Pradesh? &#171; Beyond China&#039;s Single Story</title>
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		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s Happening with Microfinance in Andhra Pradesh? &#171; Beyond China&#039;s Single Story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 13:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] microfinance crisis in Andhra Pradesh has been compared to the situation in Nicaragua, which I wrote about for MyKRO last year.Â  I haven&#8217;t been following the news all that closely, and the podcast gives a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] microfinance crisis in Andhra Pradesh has been compared to the situation in Nicaragua, which I wrote about for MyKRO last year.Â  I haven&#8217;t been following the news all that closely, and the podcast gives a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s Happening with Microfinance in Andhra Pradesh? &#124; myKRO</title>
		<link>http://mykro.org/no-pago-reasons-to-resist-microfinance-in-nicaragua/2009/11/comment-page-1/#comment-99687</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s Happening with Microfinance in Andhra Pradesh? &#124; myKRO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] microfinance crisis in Andhra Pradesh has been compared to the situation in Nicaragua, which I wrote about for MyKRO last year. I haven&#8217;t been following the news all that closely, and the podcast gives a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] microfinance crisis in Andhra Pradesh has been compared to the situation in Nicaragua, which I wrote about for MyKRO last year. I haven&#8217;t been following the news all that closely, and the podcast gives a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A full-blown Microfinance Crisis brewing in Andhra Pradesh? &#171;</title>
		<link>http://mykro.org/no-pago-reasons-to-resist-microfinance-in-nicaragua/2009/11/comment-page-1/#comment-97311</link>
		<dc:creator>A full-blown Microfinance Crisis brewing in Andhra Pradesh? &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 01:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] come out of nowhere. Nicaragua saw a popular campaign of repayment refusal last year called &#8220;No Pago&#8221; (I&#8217;m not paying). Wall Street Journal Intern Ketaki Gokhale caused a stir (and a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] come out of nowhere. Nicaragua saw a popular campaign of repayment refusal last year called &#8220;No Pago&#8221; (I&#8217;m not paying). Wall Street Journal Intern Ketaki Gokhale caused a stir (and a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MRD</title>
		<link>http://mykro.org/no-pago-reasons-to-resist-microfinance-in-nicaragua/2009/11/comment-page-1/#comment-92653</link>
		<dc:creator>MRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 22:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve researched microcredit in Nicaragua on and off for the last two years.  I&#039;ve interviewed nearly three hundred clients from across the country.  I&#039;d say there are two main issues at play in looking at the limits to microfinance here.  First, the vast majority of borrowers in the informal market.  Investment in their business only lets them sell more bottles of pepsi, more gallo pinto or more cosmetics.  The problem is one of adding value to the goods and services to people in this sector.  I have interviewed so many people who have a group bank composed of people who all own pulperias and (presumably) just sell each other snacks.  The &#039;more&#039; successful clients I&#039;ve talked with tend to be those involved in things like artesania where they can command a higher price, often by shipping their handicraft to another country (like guatemala or mexico).  

Second, microfinance providers are prohibited from offering other kinds of banking services - they can only dispense loans.  For agricultural clients who do no need more debt at the time of the year when the market is replete with corn and beans and the prices are very low, there is no place (other than under the matress) to put any savings.  Both of these point to the immense problem of the dearth of small and medium enterprises here.  Very few businesses served by MFIs have more than 1 to 3 people working for them including the borrower.

Finally, echoing the post I am a bit skeptical of the MNP motives.   The MNP functions as a protection racket.However, the MNP works by members taking out as many loans as they can without any plans to pay them back.  Members actually pay for the protection the group provides them from their creditors.  If a loan officer comes to collect, they call up their MNP jefe and they chase them out of town or chop up their motorcycle.

I&#039;d agree that financial literacy programs are important and underutilized. These loan products are quite straightforward - interest is a simple compound and borrowers know how much they owe every period and how much they will pay at the end of the term.  If they dont think they can pay, they don&#039;t have to borrow.  You don&#039;t get into $600,000 of debt in places like Jalapa by accident or financial illiteracy.    

Alba Coruna not only gives out loans with low, subsidized interest rates but their clients do not appear on the country wide database of risky clients.  For example, I can take out a whole bunch of AC loans, not pay all of them back, and then go in and try to borrow from a host of other MFIs linked in with ASOMIF (the industry association) and none of them will know how many loans I have outstanding.  So I can then turn around and not pay them back either.  Much more likely here is that these are soft programs to garner favor with the government backing them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve researched microcredit in Nicaragua on and off for the last two years.  I&#8217;ve interviewed nearly three hundred clients from across the country.  I&#8217;d say there are two main issues at play in looking at the limits to microfinance here.  First, the vast majority of borrowers in the informal market.  Investment in their business only lets them sell more bottles of pepsi, more gallo pinto or more cosmetics.  The problem is one of adding value to the goods and services to people in this sector.  I have interviewed so many people who have a group bank composed of people who all own pulperias and (presumably) just sell each other snacks.  The &#8216;more&#8217; successful clients I&#8217;ve talked with tend to be those involved in things like artesania where they can command a higher price, often by shipping their handicraft to another country (like guatemala or mexico).  </p>
<p>Second, microfinance providers are prohibited from offering other kinds of banking services &#8211; they can only dispense loans.  For agricultural clients who do no need more debt at the time of the year when the market is replete with corn and beans and the prices are very low, there is no place (other than under the matress) to put any savings.  Both of these point to the immense problem of the dearth of small and medium enterprises here.  Very few businesses served by MFIs have more than 1 to 3 people working for them including the borrower.</p>
<p>Finally, echoing the post I am a bit skeptical of the MNP motives.   The MNP functions as a protection racket.However, the MNP works by members taking out as many loans as they can without any plans to pay them back.  Members actually pay for the protection the group provides them from their creditors.  If a loan officer comes to collect, they call up their MNP jefe and they chase them out of town or chop up their motorcycle.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree that financial literacy programs are important and underutilized. These loan products are quite straightforward &#8211; interest is a simple compound and borrowers know how much they owe every period and how much they will pay at the end of the term.  If they dont think they can pay, they don&#8217;t have to borrow.  You don&#8217;t get into $600,000 of debt in places like Jalapa by accident or financial illiteracy.    </p>
<p>Alba Coruna not only gives out loans with low, subsidized interest rates but their clients do not appear on the country wide database of risky clients.  For example, I can take out a whole bunch of AC loans, not pay all of them back, and then go in and try to borrow from a host of other MFIs linked in with ASOMIF (the industry association) and none of them will know how many loans I have outstanding.  So I can then turn around and not pay them back either.  Much more likely here is that these are soft programs to garner favor with the government backing them up.</p>
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		<title>By: KingofPaupers</title>
		<link>http://mykro.org/no-pago-reasons-to-resist-microfinance-in-nicaragua/2009/11/comment-page-1/#comment-91332</link>
		<dc:creator>KingofPaupers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 03:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;These incidents are only a few examples of the bad feeling that microfinance institutions (MFIs) have inspired among a section of the rural population in north and central Nicaragua. So, why have the borrowers been protesting?  Here are some reasons Iâ€™ve uncovered. High Interest Rates. Microfinance institutions in Nicaragua charge interest rates of as much as 21%. The protestors contend that this rate should be no more than 8%.  Yes, 21% sounds like a large percentage of a small loan.  However, microfinance institutions have high transaction costs, based on the labor-intensive process of managing repayments.&quot;
Jct: Har har har. Mr. &quot;High Interest&quot; Microlending loanshark is given a Nobel Prize. I guess my  boast of getting a Nobel Prize too as Mr. &quot;No Interest&quot; for my UNILETS Macrolending Millennium Declaration C6 for a time-based currency to restructure the global financial architecture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These incidents are only a few examples of the bad feeling that microfinance institutions (MFIs) have inspired among a section of the rural population in north and central Nicaragua. So, why have the borrowers been protesting?  Here are some reasons Iâ€™ve uncovered. High Interest Rates. Microfinance institutions in Nicaragua charge interest rates of as much as 21%. The protestors contend that this rate should be no more than 8%.  Yes, 21% sounds like a large percentage of a small loan.  However, microfinance institutions have high transaction costs, based on the labor-intensive process of managing repayments.&#8221;<br />
Jct: Har har har. Mr. &#8220;High Interest&#8221; Microlending loanshark is given a Nobel Prize. I guess my  boast of getting a Nobel Prize too as Mr. &#8220;No Interest&#8221; for my UNILETS Macrolending Millennium Declaration C6 for a time-based currency to restructure the global financial architecture.</p>
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		<title>By: John Harmsworth</title>
		<link>http://mykro.org/no-pago-reasons-to-resist-microfinance-in-nicaragua/2009/11/comment-page-1/#comment-90615</link>
		<dc:creator>John Harmsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this submission I will play the role of the ignorant outsider as I am a fairly recent discoverer of Kiva. I was previously aware of the Grameen bank initiative but I had no knowledge of the practical issues in play. I have found myself somewhat frustrated in attempting to identify loan requests on Kiva that I feel represent a real opportunity for advancement for the individuals borrowing and communties they are serving.

Now that I understand better the types of interest that are charged on these loans I have even greater concerns. The off-setting factor which I would also have to investigate is the local inflation rate, but I find it hard to believe that loans at 20% for home improvement can be helpful to clients in the longer term unless their homes are unlivable.

I always try to identify people who are borrowing to improve their productive capacity and/or their ability to serve their local market with goods or services that are otherwise unavailable or imported. It seems to me that the MFIs may be missing an important responsibility in not providing guidance on what constitutes a wisely sought loan. While most poor people are probably quite intelligent about small amounts of money, they may not have experience with borrowing. I also have a problem with reading that an MFI had 6 people jailed for failing to repay a loan. No Western organization should be sanctioning debtor&#039;s imprisonment in the 21st century.

At the same time it seems very likely that Mssrs. Ortega and Chavez have ulterior motives in their sponsorship ( control? ) of the Alba Caruna. Perhaps MFI involvement in Nicaragua has reached the saturation point and a refocusing is required. It seems to me that this would also be a good time to support an independent member owned credit union. This could be more community based which would reduce the travel requirements of the MFIs. After all, isn&#039;t the intent of these programs to assist people to get out of the poverty trap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this submission I will play the role of the ignorant outsider as I am a fairly recent discoverer of Kiva. I was previously aware of the Grameen bank initiative but I had no knowledge of the practical issues in play. I have found myself somewhat frustrated in attempting to identify loan requests on Kiva that I feel represent a real opportunity for advancement for the individuals borrowing and communties they are serving.</p>
<p>Now that I understand better the types of interest that are charged on these loans I have even greater concerns. The off-setting factor which I would also have to investigate is the local inflation rate, but I find it hard to believe that loans at 20% for home improvement can be helpful to clients in the longer term unless their homes are unlivable.</p>
<p>I always try to identify people who are borrowing to improve their productive capacity and/or their ability to serve their local market with goods or services that are otherwise unavailable or imported. It seems to me that the MFIs may be missing an important responsibility in not providing guidance on what constitutes a wisely sought loan. While most poor people are probably quite intelligent about small amounts of money, they may not have experience with borrowing. I also have a problem with reading that an MFI had 6 people jailed for failing to repay a loan. No Western organization should be sanctioning debtor&#8217;s imprisonment in the 21st century.</p>
<p>At the same time it seems very likely that Mssrs. Ortega and Chavez have ulterior motives in their sponsorship ( control? ) of the Alba Caruna. Perhaps MFI involvement in Nicaragua has reached the saturation point and a refocusing is required. It seems to me that this would also be a good time to support an independent member owned credit union. This could be more community based which would reduce the travel requirements of the MFIs. After all, isn&#8217;t the intent of these programs to assist people to get out of the poverty trap?</p>
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		<title>By: KingofthePaupers</title>
		<link>http://mykro.org/no-pago-reasons-to-resist-microfinance-in-nicaragua/2009/11/comment-page-1/#comment-53517</link>
		<dc:creator>KingofthePaupers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jct: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRbnBn_0l8Q is my video 
Alex Cockburn on Yunus micro-loansharking
where I point out how Yunus&#039; piggy bank makes microloans of depositors&#039; savings at 20%
while LETS time-based currency software makes macroloans of new tokens interest-free. 
What deserves a Nobel Prize, microloans at 20% or macroloans at 0%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jct: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRbnBn_0l8Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRbnBn_0l8Q</a> is my video<br />
Alex Cockburn on Yunus micro-loansharking<br />
where I point out how Yunus&#8217; piggy bank makes microloans of depositors&#8217; savings at 20%<br />
while LETS time-based currency software makes macroloans of new tokens interest-free.<br />
What deserves a Nobel Prize, microloans at 20% or macroloans at 0%.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Forman</title>
		<link>http://mykro.org/no-pago-reasons-to-resist-microfinance-in-nicaragua/2009/11/comment-page-1/#comment-53490</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie Forman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, 

Thanks for that link.  So interesting!  I also came across mentions of similar protests in Bolivia and Pakistan.  I think they are in the Microfinance Focus Q&amp;A that I linked to above.  Microfinance is sometimes referred to as a &quot;silver bullet&quot; and we all know that it;s much more complicated than that.  

-Leslie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, </p>
<p>Thanks for that link.  So interesting!  I also came across mentions of similar protests in Bolivia and Pakistan.  I think they are in the Microfinance Focus Q&amp;A that I linked to above.  Microfinance is sometimes referred to as a &#8220;silver bullet&#8221; and we all know that it;s much more complicated than that.  </p>
<p>-Leslie</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Forman</title>
		<link>http://mykro.org/no-pago-reasons-to-resist-microfinance-in-nicaragua/2009/11/comment-page-1/#comment-53489</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie Forman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, 

It is so great to hear from someone on the ground in Nicaragua!  I really appreciate your perspectives on this.  Let me comment on your points one by one: 

1) I think that financial education is absolutely critical to the success of microfinance and think it&#039;s ridiculous to lend and lend and lend without giving people the tools to use the financing in ways that can really improve their lives.  

2) Informal lending is big here in China too, especially within families.  It&#039;s how many of the factories in cities like Wenzhou got off the ground.  Courtney McColgan, one of the founders of Wokai, actually researched this while on a Fulbright Scholarship here.  

3) I&#039;ve never heard of this before, but the religious influences make a lot of sense to me.  Usury is listed as a sin in the Bible, right?  Also, religion often can tie a movement together -- any kind of movement, really.  I can see why a &quot;Zero Usury&quot; program could be popular.  I agree that this would be a fascinating topic for a thesis or dissertation or something like that, since there are so many angles to look at.  

I also agree with your point about small businesses in the age of globalization.  The organization I worked with in Chile, Accion Emprendedora, helped small businesses specifically confront these issues, though higher-level tutoring sessions on business strategy.  For example, building relationships with children&#039;s boutiques in rich neighborhoods to sell artisanal wooden toys.  But I think that MFIs primarily focused on loan volume don&#039;t have the capacity or inclination to provide that sort of support.  

I&#039;m also curious: what brought you to Nicaragua?  There was a point when I was in college when I was considering going there, but I eventually decided to come to China again.  


Thanks again! 
Leslie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, </p>
<p>It is so great to hear from someone on the ground in Nicaragua!  I really appreciate your perspectives on this.  Let me comment on your points one by one: </p>
<p>1) I think that financial education is absolutely critical to the success of microfinance and think it&#8217;s ridiculous to lend and lend and lend without giving people the tools to use the financing in ways that can really improve their lives.  </p>
<p>2) Informal lending is big here in China too, especially within families.  It&#8217;s how many of the factories in cities like Wenzhou got off the ground.  Courtney McColgan, one of the founders of Wokai, actually researched this while on a Fulbright Scholarship here.  </p>
<p>3) I&#8217;ve never heard of this before, but the religious influences make a lot of sense to me.  Usury is listed as a sin in the Bible, right?  Also, religion often can tie a movement together &#8212; any kind of movement, really.  I can see why a &#8220;Zero Usury&#8221; program could be popular.  I agree that this would be a fascinating topic for a thesis or dissertation or something like that, since there are so many angles to look at.  </p>
<p>I also agree with your point about small businesses in the age of globalization.  The organization I worked with in Chile, Accion Emprendedora, helped small businesses specifically confront these issues, though higher-level tutoring sessions on business strategy.  For example, building relationships with children&#8217;s boutiques in rich neighborhoods to sell artisanal wooden toys.  But I think that MFIs primarily focused on loan volume don&#8217;t have the capacity or inclination to provide that sort of support.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also curious: what brought you to Nicaragua?  There was a point when I was in college when I was considering going there, but I eventually decided to come to China again.  </p>
<p>Thanks again!<br />
Leslie</p>
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